In our latest episode, Alex Botting and Jen Ellis from the Center for Cybersecurity Policy & Law are joined by Mieke Eoyang, the Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense for Cyber Policy. As the highest ranking civilian at the U.S. Department of Defense (DoD), tasked with thinking exclusively about cyber policy, Ms. Eoyang was able to provide valuable insights around the recently released unclassified 2023 DoD Cyber Strategy summary

The discussion captures how the DoD’s thoughts on cyber warfare have significantly evolved in the last decade, particularly in reaction to real-world international cyber events like the conflict in Ukraine. Ms. Eoyang highlights just how far we have come from analogies to nuclear war, and why cyber warfare has become an increasingly important part of the DoD’s toolkit. All of this evolutionary thinking has shaped the new DoD Cyber Strategy, published today and complementing the U.S. National Cyber Security Strategy and the implementation plan. The new defense strategy calls for strengthened partnership with both allied nations and the private sector through information sharing, technical support, and hunt forward operations - amongst other efforts.

A couple of other links we promised to share out of our chat with Ms. Eoyang:

In addition to the above, this week’s episode includes news out of CISA and an update on the UN Cybercrime Convention proceedings, which we discussed with Microsoft’s Kaja Ciglic in S01E02.

If you want to read up more on any of the news stories we covered, you can find more here:

Finally, our Mystery Trivia Master this week is the delightful Florian Pennings, EU cyber policy expert. 

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